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Post by unowncj on Dec 30, 2006 5:57:52 GMT -5
Basically, this is the beat all deck. It doesn't crush any one matchup but if you play it correctly you should be ok to favorable in every match.
Here's my list:
// Lands
4 Godless Shrine
4 Flagstones of Trokair
2 Urza's Factory
6 Swamp
2 Caves of Koilos
6 Plains
// Creatures
2 Skeletal Vampire
2 Angel of Despair
// Spells
4 Phyrexian Arena
4 Wrath of God
4 Faith's Fetters
4 Temporal Isolation
4 Phyrexian Totem
4 Orzhov Signet
2 Sacred Mesa
4 Castigate
2 Nightmare Void
// Sideboard
SB: 1 Nightmare Void
SB: 4 Martyr of Sands
SB: 2 Darkblast
SB: 4 Sudden Death
SB: 4 Hide/Seek
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Post by rollerking540 on Jan 1, 2007 19:35:44 GMT -5
i like it. just one question, where are the mortifys?
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Post by unowncj on Jan 2, 2007 12:28:27 GMT -5
i like it. just one question, where are the mortifys? Yeah, about that... well i would like to put them in but i can't find room over anything else. The whole argument between Fetters and mortify is one of the metagame, most of the enchantments that scare me can be stopped by fetters. If you have an idea about how to change it go ahead and post it. I need to get this deck perfect before my MSS tourny on Feb. 17th |
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Post by alamoth on Jan 3, 2007 10:25:07 GMT -5
You're running 24 lands, 4 totems, and 4 signets. That's 32 cards, more than half the deck, producing mana. Is it really necessary? There have to be times when you get flooded. I suppose it gives you more stuff to sacrifice to Negator, but I just don't know...
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Post by unowncj on Jan 3, 2007 15:36:02 GMT -5
You're running 24 lands, 4 totems, and 4 signets. That's 32 cards, more than half the deck, producing mana. Is it really necessary? There have to be times when you get flooded. I suppose it gives you more stuff to sacrifice to Negator, but I just don't know... I dont realy look at the totems as mana as much as a win conditions with a bonus of mana accel. They are better than you think. |
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Post by alamoth on Jan 3, 2007 16:38:56 GMT -5
You're running 24 lands, 4 totems, and 4 signets. That's 32 cards, more than half the deck, producing mana. Is it really necessary? There have to be times when you get flooded. I suppose it gives you more stuff to sacrifice to Negator, but I just don't know... I dont realy look at the totems as mana as much as a win conditions with a bonus of mana accel. They are better than you think. I would think that you could do without the last Swamp and Plains, and just run 5 of each, and then slip in either 2x Mortify or 2 more Nightmare Voids. Also, aren't 2x Urza's Factory redundant in a deck with so many kill conditions already? You won't have both of them active at the same time, you would need 16 lands in play. |
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Post by unowncj on Jan 3, 2007 16:46:59 GMT -5
I dont realy look at the totems as mana as much as a win conditions with a bonus of mana accel. They are better than you think. I would think that you could do without the last Swamp and Plains, and just run 5 of each, and then slip in either 2x Mortify or 2 more Nightmare Voids. Also, aren't 2x Urza's Factory redundant in a deck with so many kill conditions already? You won't have both of them active at the same time, you would need 16 lands in play. ill try swaping for mortify, i dont think 2 is redundant, having 1 means you probably wont draw it, and i dont want to rely on Totem if i can get away with it (even though it is pretty sweet). |
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Post by conelead on Jan 4, 2007 0:32:45 GMT -5
unown is right. You don't want to run 1x Factory assuming he actually wants to see it regularly, which it seems he does. Also, there is no such thing as too many kill conditions. There is such thing as not enough defense, but no such thing as too many kill conditions.
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Post by unowncj on Jan 8, 2007 21:10:38 GMT -5
New list:
Lands
4 Godless Shrine
4 Flagstones of Trokair
3 Urza's Factory
5 Swamp
2 Caves of Koilos
4 Plains
2 Orzhov Basilica
Spells
4 Phyrexian Arena
4 Wrath of God
4 Faith's Fetters
4 Temporal Isolation
4 Phyrexian Totem
4 Orzhov Signet
3 Sacred Mesa
4 Castigate
2 Nightmare Void
3 Sudden Death
Sideboard
SB: 1 Urza's Factory
SB: 2 Nightmare Void
SB: 4 Martyr of Sands
SB: 4 Hide/Seek
SB: 4 Orzhov Pontiff
Tell me what you think, so far i havent realy lost too many games with it, and it has more win conditions than it seems.
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Post by seeker on Jan 8, 2007 21:35:46 GMT -5
I tested it once I saw you post it on SCG.
It's good. I don't like the Triscuitron matchup, nor do I like the Caves of Koilos, which I have literally NEVER tapped for colored mana in any incarnation of straight BW.
Therefore, I suggest 2 maindeck Desert to improve Boros g1 and postsb. Also perhaps consider a boarded Academy Ruins/Pithing Needle/Proclamation or something to outlife/outdeck TTron (I board in Seek, that's as far as I've gotten. I want to test this matchup with someone.)
Why the 4th Factory in SB? I much prefer the 4th Sudden Death myself.
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Post by unowncj on Jan 16, 2007 9:40:16 GMT -5
New list, tell me what you think:
Chocolate Ducks
Lands
4 Godless Shrine
4 Flagstones of Trokair
3 Urza's Factory
3 Swamp
3 Plains
3 Orzhov Basilica
2 Caves of Koilos
2 Ghost Quarter
Spells
4 Phyrexian Arena
4 Wrath of God
4 Faith's Fetters
4 Temporal Isolation
3 Phyrexian Totem
4 Orzhov Signet
3 Sacred Mesa
4 Castigate
2 Nightmare Void
4 Sudden Death
// Sideboard
SB: 1 Urza's Factory
SB: 4 Martyr of Sands
SB: 4 Hide/Seek
SB: 4 Orzhov Pontiff
SB: 2 Ghost Quarter
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Post by unowncj on Jan 16, 2007 21:23:02 GMT -5
New list:
Chocolate Ducks ;D
Lands
4 Godless Shrine
4 Flagstones of Trokair
3 Urza's Factory
3 Swamp
2 Plains
3 Orzhov Basilica
2 Caves of Koilos
3 Ghost Quarter
Creatures
4 Martyr of Sands
4 Weathered Wayfarer
Spells
4 Phyrexian Arena
4 Wrath of God
4 Faith's Fetters
4 Temporal Isolation
3 Sacred Mesa
4 Castigate
3 Sudden Death
2 Phyrexian Totem
Sideboard
SB: 1 Urza's Factory
SB: 1 Ghost Quarter
SB: 1 Sudden Death
SB: 2 Phyrexian Totem
SB: 4 Hide/Seek
SB: 4 Orzhov Pontiff
SB: 2 Proclamation of Rebirth
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Post by rollerking540 on Jan 16, 2007 21:26:31 GMT -5
I like the name.
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